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Anarchist 5 15.15%
Conservative 12 36.36%
Environmentalist 16 48.48%
Feminist 11 33.33%
Humanist 18 54.55%
Internationalist 8 24.24%
Liberal 14 42.42%
Monarchist 7 21.21%
Nationalist 12 36.36%
Pacifist 4 12.12%
Radical 4 12.12%
Theist 6 18.18%
Transhumanist (Omacron ) 9 27.27%
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Old 09-13-2015, 08:06 PM
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Ideology thread here. I was wondering where everyone lies in the philosophical and political spectrum - would you associate yourself with any of the schools of thought mentioned in this thread's poll? And if so- what do those terms mean to you?

Ethically I would (like to) think of myself as a humanist. I believe each person is born with certain inherent rights (freedom of assembly, health, speech, religionand more) simply for being human. And that as free people we also have certain duties towards others - we have a responsibility to alleviate suffering wherever we find it. And I believe feminism is an aspect of humanism.

Politically I am an internationalist. I do not believe the human species is divided along ethnic or nationalist lines and that we should try to move towards the dissolution of the nation-state and towards a strong international community that defends the human rights of every person against fascist, terrorist and totalitarian factions. I think the belief that the human species can be divided into different tribes (national, racial, theistic etc) is responsible for a great deal of human suffering - both in the past and currently - and that we as a species must shake ourselves of these mental manacles if we are to be free.

Radicalism is an important aspect of philosophical beliefs. To me the common idea that modern politics is a conflict between liberalism and conservatism is a false premise - and has limited explanatory power on what people truly believe. A better spectrum would be between conservatism (doing nothing) and radicalism (doing something.) And I think the idea of the dialectic is a meaningful concept - that change is inevitably produced when an idea (thesis) creates its opposite (anti-thesis), and the conflict between them will produce a synthesis that combines the strengths and weaknesses of both.

So what do you think you would identify yourself as politically? I would love to hear more about your beliefs.

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The preferred nomenclature is "Technoprogressivist." Transhumanism is a philosophy, technoprogressivism is the accompanying political ideology.


I believe that human society is fundamentally shaped by our usage and mastery of technology and the sciences, and therefore our governments should revolve around the prediction, stewardship and above all else, educated, skillful use of technology.

There are remnants of my days as a libertarian transhumanist in my political ideology, so I actually believe that technology should specifically be used to enhance and safeguard the fundamental rights of self-aware beings (not necessarily limited to humans; I look forward to the day when suffrage is granted to AI and dolphins) but I don't consider those points necessarily endemic to the technoprogressivist movement.


I think the technoprogressives should call themselves the "Cybernetic Bull Moose Party"
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I went ahead and marked the three that seemed most applicable.

Conservative, because I'm distrustful of radicalism. I think humans are fundamentally irrational, and that this leads us to jump to conclusions. For this reason, it behooves us to be cautious in implementing long-term and major social, political, or economic change. Slow and gradual change is preferable, as that makes it easier to backtrack should said change be problematic.

Liberal, because I'm a strong believer in the classical Enlightenment and Constitutional principles of free speech, rule of law, democracy, and individual rights. I'm deeply suspicious of attempts to abridge or hamper these rights. This liberalism tempers some of my conservatism, as I'm more likely to push for change if I think that certain principles are being violated by the status quo.

Nationalist (I'd prefer patriot), because I think that nationhood provides an essential sense of identity, purpose, and unity. The differences in culture cannot easily be transcended by international rhetoric. Pride in one's own country does not necessitate the denigration of others. I also think that pride is conditional; someone who does not participate in the political process or service (military or otherwise) of their country has no grounds on which to claim national pride.
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Theres a ton of political identities missing from this list. Some of them are big ones...
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Shush. Pinko commie leftists don't like labels.
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Democratic Socialist, or a capitalist who believes some socialism is required as a corrective against the worse (i.e. 'idiotic' and non-Christian) parts of capitalism and human nature and some capitalism is required as a corrective against the worse (i.e. 'idiotic' and non-Christian) parts of socialism and human nature.
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Voted for everything except anarchist, monarchist, radical, and roboticist.

I'm a fan of the term Centrist, which I translate as "political parties choose their issues at random, so big whoop if we don't correlate to them perfectly".


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I wasn't aware "theist" and "environmentalist" were political affiliations. Only in America these days, I guess.
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Ooh, tough to say. I'm not really one to just say "I'm an X" in regards to politics, because it feels inherently restrictive. Too often, it means giving up the ability to just look at things on a case-by-case basis, instead just going with the "X answer". I do
-lean in the direction of long-term governmental planning, which puts me in the environmentalist category (though not the animal rights subsection of such)
-think giving mankind a couple of handy upgrades is a good idea, which makes me a transhumanist (though I want the human mind preserved)
-think that the current nations, in most cases, are a good model for advancement, by only having to apply progression to a small sub-section of humanity, hastening progress (which I think is a decent trade-off to dampening the spread of progress, considering some of the more wasteful technologies simply need upgrading). Hence, nationalist.
-think that an entirely powerless head of the nation is still a better representative than a guy who only represents his political bloc, so royalist.
-like having the freedom to do things (and seeing the ever-hilarious results of others having the freedom to do things), so I guess liberal fits.

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Ideology thread here. I was wondering where everyone lies in the philosophical and political spectrum - would you associate yourself with any of the schools of thought mentioned in this thread's poll? And if so- what do those terms mean to you?

Ethically I would (like to) think of myself as a humanist. I believe each person is born with certain inherent rights (freedom of assembly, health, speech, religionand more) simply for being human. And that as free people we also have certain duties towards others - we have a responsibility to alleviate suffering wherever we find it. And I believe feminism is an aspect of humanism.

Politically I am an internationalist. I do not believe the human species is divided along ethnic or nationalist lines and that we should try to move towards the dissolution of the nation-state and towards a strong international community that defends the human rights of every person against fascist, terrorist and totalitarian factions. I think the belief that the human species can be divided into different tribes (national, racial, theistic etc) is responsible for a great deal of human suffering - both in the past and currently - and that we as a species must shake ourselves of these mental manacles if we are to be free.

Radicalism is an important aspect of philosophical beliefs. To me the common idea that modern politics is a conflict between liberalism and conservatism is a false premise - and has limited explanatory power on what people truly believe. A better spectrum would be between conservatism (doing nothing) and radicalism (doing something.) And I think the idea of the dialectic is a meaningful concept - that change is inevitable produced when an idea (thesis) creates its opposite (anti-thesist), and the conflict between them will produce a synthesis that combines the strengths and weaknesses of both.

So what do you think you would identify yourself as politically? I would love to hear more about your beliefs.
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Forgot to check: Liberal
Not included: Third Position

Environmentalist: Simple really, I believe there is an absolute necessity to transform the energy sector to a post-modern sustainable model due to problems of Climate Change as well as to reap the political benefits of such a system. This often also includes nationalizing the energy sector as well.

Nationalist: Here things get a bit more complex. Nationalism tends to be divided into two groups: Civic Nationalism as well as ethnic nationalism, I'm part of the latter. I view that it is the fundamental right of all peoples to ethnic self-determination; with the particular aspects that I usually focus on being shared culture and ancestry. My reasons for being this way has mostly been due to an increasing amount of skepticism not only for multiculturalism as a whole but on integration, period.

Radical: As you can probably tell the above two ideas tend to be abit more on the far side of things with culture being more right wing and economics being more left wing. Because of this I classify myself more as a radical as opposed to a moderate.

Classical Liberal: All that being said I do believe in human rights, democracy, and freedom and I'm far more protective of liberty over ideas about security so I fall under Classical Liberalism in some regards.

Third Position:
This one can easily sum up the three parts of being an environmentalist, nationalist, and a radical as third position can have all three aspects. Technically speaking Third position is usually the location of ideologies that have a combination of both far right as well as far left elements of it and its on paper definition is as follow:

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The Third Position or Third Way or Third Alternative is a conservative revolutionary political position that emphasizes its opposition to both communism and capitalism. Advocates of Third Position politics typically present themselves as "beyond left and right", while syncretizing ideas from each end of the political spectrum, usually reactionary right-wing cultural views and radical left-wing economic views.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7]

Third Positionists often seek alliances with separatists of ethnicities and races other than their own, with the goal of achieving peaceful ethnic and racial coexistence, a form of segregation emphasizing self-determination and preservation of cultural differences. They support national liberation movements in the least developed countries, and have recently embraced environmentalism.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7]
Unfortunately, Third position parties aren't exactly fond of classical Liberalism so I tend to stay as far away from them as possible, despite other ideological similarities.
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I wasn't aware "theist" and "environmentalist" were political affiliations. Only in America these days, I guess.
Wikipedia tells me that Austria has a fairly prominent Green Party and a couple of minor parties that include the word "Christian".
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Wikipedia tells me that Austria has a fairly prominent Green Party and a couple of minor parties that include the word "Christian".
That being said the belief in any particular religion or lobbying to protect the environment are not political affiliations or ideologies, per se. That's why I remarked on it.

You can be a radical leftwinger and still believe in a religion. You can be a crazy conservative and still want to protect the environment. They are not political camps.

It's part of the way American society is developing that these things are becoming more and more part of one or the other political movement and identified by them.

The Green Party in Austria, for example, is a diverse mix of people of faith and more conservative liberals with left atheists, etc. Same in Germany.

The "Christian" party you refer to is the Austrian People's Party, that was founded on largely Catholic votership at the beginning of the century - they have strong traditional ties to the Catholic lobby in Austria, but they do not represent a Catholic political movement per se, it too has some diverse elements in its ranks. It is more of an economically conservative party these days.

I'm not aware of any party of relevance in Austria that actually includes the word "Christian" at all.

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Ideology thread here. I was wondering where everyone lies in the philosophical and political spectrum - would you associate yourself with any of the schools of thought mentioned in this thread's poll? And if so- what do those terms mean to you?

Ethically I would (like to) think of myself as a humanist. I believe each person is born with certain inherent rights (freedom of assembly, health, speech, religionand more) simply for being human. And that as free people we also have certain duties towards others - we have a responsibility to alleviate suffering wherever we find it. And I believe feminism is an aspect of humanism.

Politically I am an internationalist. I do not believe the human species is divided along ethnic or nationalist lines and that we should try to move towards the dissolution of the nation-state and towards a strong international community that defends the human rights of every person against fascist, terrorist and totalitarian factions. I think the belief that the human species can be divided into different tribes (national, racial, theistic etc) is responsible for a great deal of human suffering - both in the past and currently - and that we as a species must shake ourselves of these mental manacles if we are to be free.

Radicalism is an important aspect of philosophical beliefs. To me the common idea that modern politics is a conflict between liberalism and conservatism is a false premise - and has limited explanatory power on what people truly believe. A better spectrum would be between conservatism (doing nothing) and radicalism (doing something.) And I think the idea of the dialectic is a meaningful concept - that change is inevitable produced when an idea (thesis) creates its opposite (anti-thesist), and the conflict between them will produce a synthesis that combines the strengths and weaknesses of both.

So what do you think you would identify yourself as politically? I would love to hear more about your beliefs.
Apart from all that, I can sign this pretty much.

On top of that I'm also a stern anti-capitalist.
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Radical Theist Conservative.

Lucky for you, I'm just the obnoxious Christian sort, and not the exploding Muslim variety.
What does 'conservatism' mean to you? And wouldn't radicalism be at odds with that conservatism?

And do you agree that a secular government -where the state has no say in matters or religion and vice-verse- is the best protection of the freedom of religion?

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I went ahead and marked the three that seemed most applicable.

Conservative, because I'm distrustful of radicalism. I think humans are fundamentally irrational, and that this leads us to jump to conclusions. For this reason, it behooves us to be cautious in implementing long-term and major social, political, or economic change. Slow and gradual change is preferable, as that makes it easier to backtrack should said change be problematic.

Liberal, because I'm a strong believer in the classical Enlightenment and Constitutional principles of free speech, rule of law, democracy, and individual rights. I'm deeply suspicious of attempts to abridge or hamper these rights. This liberalism tempers some of my conservatism, as I'm more likely to push for change if I think that certain principles are being violated by the status quo.

Nationalist (I'd prefer patriot), because I think that nationhood provides an essential sense of identity, purpose, and unity. The differences in culture cannot easily be transcended by international rhetoric. Pride in one's own country does not necessitate the denigration of others. I also think that pride is conditional; someone who does not participate in the political process or service (military or otherwise) of their country has no grounds on which to claim national pride.
You said that you are a nationalist(/patriot) and that difference in culture cannot easily be transcended by internationalism. But isn't that something we should still aspire to - even if the task is a difficult one?

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Yes definitely. But there was a limited number I could list in the poll so I tried to pick (I hope) a broad selection of ideologies. But there are others that I can think of that aren't mentioned: fascism, oligarchy, socialism, capitalism and racism.

I was hoping people would explain their beliefs beyond what is said in the poll though.

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Shush. Pinko commie leftists don't like labels.
Marx, Ingels, Luxemburg and Trotsky were internationalists so they could fall under that label. Stalin and his communist faction were totalitarian nationalists though.

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