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Old 01-20-2014, 09:18 AM
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Question Blizzard faction favoritism? Does it exist?

This is something that has been in my mind in my five years of playing World of Warcraft. From a lore, and other aspects, do you think Blizzard shows favoritism towards one faction. I was watching a video on King Varian Wrynn (Alliance fan boy here) and some points are made in the video. If you want you can see the video, and why I think that Blizzard, at least from a story standpoint favors the Horde. Here is the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MSpvZ-MJRA

It's a great video, feel free to watch the whole thing but if you want to see the points that I view then skip to 45:50

What is your opinion on the issue?
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Old 01-20-2014, 09:20 AM
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Anyone who claims Blizzard does not favour the Horde over the Alliance in terms of attention given to story are missing a few brain cells.

Whether this is an -issue- or not is another matter, because the Horde's story has suffered from attention just the same as Night Elf story has.
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Old 01-20-2014, 09:30 AM
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Blizz enjoys writing the Horde more, they think they're cooler, and don't really 'get' the Alliance playerbase or storyline.

In vanilla one could argue the placement of raids and quality of questing was a tad better for the Alliance, and they had a few more bells/whistles (the frostsabers were in Vanilla while the Ravasaurs weren't implemented until much later, certain quests rewarded them with pets not available hordeside, etc...)

But those are all minor things long since rectified.

The Horde has suffered from its 'favoritism' just as the Alliance has suffered from Blizz's apathy.
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Old 01-20-2014, 09:36 AM
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Anyone who claims Blizzard does not favour the Horde over the Alliance in terms of attention given to story are missing a few brain cells.

Whether this is an -issue- or not is another matter, because the Horde's story has suffered from attention just the same as Night Elf story has.
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Old 01-20-2014, 03:11 PM
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Blizz enjoys writing the Horde more, they think they're cooler, and don't really 'get' the Alliance playerbase or storyline.

In vanilla one could argue the placement of raids and quality of questing was a tad better for the Alliance, and they had a few more bells/whistles (the frostsabers were in Vanilla while the Ravasaurs weren't implemented until much later, certain quests rewarded them with pets not available hordeside, etc...)

But those are all minor things long since rectified.

The Horde has suffered from its 'favoritism' just as the Alliance has suffered from Blizz's apathy.
It's best to just burn it all and start over at this point.

I'm thinking Orcs should be pink this time.
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Old 01-20-2014, 03:12 PM
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The Alliance won the Faction War, clearly that means the Alliance are the favorite.

(lol)
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And all it takes is a tactically calculated "for the Horde" rallying the troops to make them all think "OMG she really does care!"
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Old 01-20-2014, 04:53 PM
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I believe that Blizzard has a soft spot for the Horde, stemming primarily from Warcraft 2,* which led to the Horde's new angle in Warcraft 3. I believe that Blizzard has an easier time writing the Horde's story, and there are legitimately viable reasons why that may be the case. But I also believe that the cries and arguments for Blizzard's Horde bias are grossly exaggerated.

* From what I have read, Blizzard (and their fans) warmed up to the orcs in large part as a result of Rob Pardo's peon and grunt unit voice work.
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Old 01-20-2014, 04:59 PM
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The Alliance is favored in the zoomed-out narrative (e.g. they win the war, they get to be the good guys, they get to feel high-and-mighty while the Horde is treated like trash, and they don't have to sacrifice their ideals for their apparent unstoppable power either).

The Horde is favored in the details and the minutia; the little stuff makes the story feel more alive (e.g. more screen time for characters, a less homogenous faction philosophy, more multidimensional characters, and just plain more story arcs revolving around them).

Supplement each faction in these areas where they need work and there won't be favoritism.
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Old 01-20-2014, 05:05 PM
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Yes Blizzard's devs like the Horde more and there is no problem with that. Well there wouldn't be if they could still put some decent effort into the Alliance. Right now they are way too enthousiastic with the Horde and not enough with the Alliance. 5.3 is the best example I can think of.
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Old 01-20-2014, 05:09 PM
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I don't think Blizzard knows how to appease the Alliance fan base.
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Old 01-20-2014, 05:18 PM
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I believe that Blizzard has a soft spot for the Horde, stemming primarily from Warcraft 2,* which led to the Horde's new angle in Warcraft 3. I believe that Blizzard has an easier time writing the Horde's story, and there are legitimately viable reasons why that may be the case. But I also believe that the cries and arguments for Blizzard's Horde bias are grossly exaggerated.

* From what I have read, Blizzard (and their fans) warmed up to the orcs in large part as a result of Rob Pardo's peon and grunt unit voice work.
This is what I think as well. The issues it that the Horde is the more proactive faction, and is thus more interesting. The solution would probably be to give the Alliance more agency, though this might also necessitate them doing more questionable things (which I'm fine with, but it would bother some fans).
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Old 01-20-2014, 05:23 PM
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It's perfectly possible to make the Alliance become proactive without taking them away from the good mentality.
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Old 01-20-2014, 05:24 PM
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It's perfectly possible to make the Alliance become proactive without taking them away from the good mentality.
I want to be a victim too sometimes. The Alliance needs to beat up the Horde better.
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Old 01-20-2014, 05:35 PM
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It's perfectly possible to make the Alliance become proactive without taking them away from the good mentality.
I'm not talking about making the Alliance evil. However, they might use underhanded or unethical techniques to ensure the safety of their own populations, which is what real governments do all the time. It's just the nature of any believable world.
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Old 01-20-2014, 06:00 PM
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I just think it's easier to write rule of cool for the Conan the Barbarian faction.
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Old 01-20-2014, 06:31 PM
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I want to be a victim too sometimes. The Alliance needs to beat up the Horde better.
Is this why you keep on trying to claim that the Horde is the real victim of the Scourge?

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I would be fine with this if it handed the Alliance several, major, decisive victories over the Horde that they get to keep forever like the Horde got in Cataclysm.
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Old 01-20-2014, 06:45 PM
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I would be fine with this if it handed the Alliance several, major, decisive victories over the Horde that they get to keep forever like the Horde got in Cataclysm.
What's the point? Just phase the shit out the concerned zones and don't bother Horde players with it.
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Old 01-20-2014, 06:46 PM
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What's the point? Just phase the shit out the concerned zones and don't bother Horde players with it.
No you see that wouldn't work because it would make Horde players feel bad.

You just want the Horde to be eliminated from the game!
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Old 01-20-2014, 06:49 PM
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Is this why you keep on trying to claim that the Horde is the real victim of the Scourge?
They are. Nerzhul sold out the orcs and the Scourge destroyed Lordaeron and Quel'thalas.
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Old 01-20-2014, 06:50 PM
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I've become suspicious of this thread as intentional flamebait at this point. The same thread exists on the story board, mmo, and here as the same thread from the same person. There's no reason to spread it all over like that.
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Old 01-20-2014, 06:50 PM
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No you see that wouldn't work because it would make Horde players feel bad.

You just want the Horde to be eliminated from the game!
Fojar, you're not helping.
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Old 01-20-2014, 06:51 PM
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Fojar, you're not helping.
You should betray Fojar and side with me. Who has always been there for you?
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Old 01-20-2014, 06:53 PM
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You should betray Fojar and side with me. Who has always been there for you?
Fojar isn't my master. I answer a higher call.
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Old 01-20-2014, 06:55 PM
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I would be interested to know how to creative process happens at Blizzard. Do they have dedicated writers for both factions? Do these people answer to a neutral overlord?
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Old 01-20-2014, 06:56 PM
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