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Old 11-04-2014, 10:00 PM
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...now wanting Yrel to be Sargeras.
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Old 11-04-2014, 10:01 PM
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Because if a storyteller is doing his job, he makes you care. And if that storyteller then says "I dunno, then they stopped fighting, I guess," without any explanation or clarification, his audience has every right to be pissed off. Because they were given reason to stay interested, reason to keep up with his tale, only to be shut down just as things were getting good. A waste of time, a waste of emotional tension, a waste, if you fail to grasp the significance of narrative, of money.
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Old 11-05-2014, 01:49 AM
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Old 11-05-2014, 03:55 AM
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Her dark secret is that she privately despises the Orcs.

The expansion will be about her learning how the Orcs are just misunderstood and honourable creatures who deserve a second (or third... or fourth...) chance.
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Old 11-07-2014, 03:40 PM
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The Horde narrative went from being awesome in Vanilla to the complete mess of a pile of dogshit it is now. The Alliance narrative isn't much better, but it IS better.
Explain the Alliance narrative to me Hammerbrew.
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Old 11-07-2014, 03:49 PM
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Old 11-07-2014, 05:53 PM
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I can't even explain it with a sarcastic remark.
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Old 11-08-2014, 05:47 AM
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I had a good laugh from that being the response to Fojar asking a question.

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Old 11-08-2014, 08:54 AM
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Explain the Alliance narrative to me Hammerbrew.
What narrative?
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Old 11-08-2014, 09:33 AM
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What narrative?
Having a boring narrative doesn't mean you don't have any narrative.
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Old 11-08-2014, 09:35 AM
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Irrelevant, afterthought, absent.
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Old 11-08-2014, 09:38 AM
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Old 11-08-2014, 09:51 AM
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Having a boring narrative doesn't mean you don't have any narrative.
Right, having no narrative meanmeans we have no narrative.

For the past several expansions it's been come together like never before to win.

There has never been strife, the Alliance has no real end goals, it can't drive the plot, and it never moves forward, changes or reacts.

By definition, a narrative is an account of connected events. The Alliance has no account of connected events. It just keeps using the same event (overcoming nonexistent differences to rally behind Varian like never before)

I suppose, in the broadest sense possible, we have a narrative Alliance side. But it's stretching the definition.
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Old 11-08-2014, 09:57 AM
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I suppose, in the broadest sense possible, we have a narrative Alliance side. But it's stretching the definition.
As I have said, "boring" doesn't mean "non-existent". But I want old "crush the Horde" Varian back. To hell with Anduin. The Alliance constantly points out what they won't do (e.g. "doing x would mean to be as bad as the orcs!").

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Old 11-08-2014, 10:11 AM
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As I have said, "boring" doesn't mean "non-existent". But I want old "crush the Horde" Varian back. To hell with Anduin.
Except in this case, it's not boring.

The Alliance is static . Completely.

Nothing links it's various showings together from expansion to expansion.

Each expansion the Alliance could be said to have a narrative.... Hence my broadest possible terms statement.

But overall? No. The Alliance doesn't have one. It remains static. Even Dalaran is moving to take a similar place as theramore, though to be fair WoD isn't done yet.
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Old 11-08-2014, 10:16 AM
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Except in this case, it's not boring.

The Alliance is static . Completely.


Static stories tend to be boring. But even so "static" would be an over-exaggeration.

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Old 11-08-2014, 10:18 AM
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Easy.

Due to corrupted politicians and dark forces, humanity fell into a dark state after the end of the third war. The Defias had overrun all of Westfall and were moving into Elwynn. The humans of Redridge and Duskwood were left to their own devices, slowly being eaten away at by the orcs and undead/worgen respectively. Stromgarde and Alterac had fallen into ruin, most of their old lands falling to foreign forces, or coming under control of ambitious bandit warlords. Gilneas, Kul Tiras and Dalaran had sealed themselves away from the world. The humans of Lordaeron came under the banner of the Scarlet Crusade, corrupted and twisted by despair, suffering and the influence of a dreadlord. (Vanilla)

However, with the return of Varian Wrynn, rightful ruler of Stormwind and commander of the forces of the alliance, this changed. Where once his nation had been shattered and divided, he reforged it into an engine of war, aimed squarely at the Lich King's throne. At the same time as the humans of the Alliance turned to the north, so did Dalaran and the people of Tyr's Hand, returning to the world. (WotLK)

Now, humanity slowly rebuilds and re-unites, mostly united in common cause under the golden lion of Stormwind. Most efforts have thusfar been aimed at the kingdom of Stormwind itself, aiming to bring peace and order to these suffering lands. Westfall and Duskwood are being resettled. The forces of the dark horde are being driven out of Redridge.
But even beyond the lands of Stormwind, humanity is re-uniting under this common throne. The people of Gilneas, though cursed, sought refuge under the golden lion when their lands were assaulted by the forces Alpha Prime and Sylvanas. The people of Dalaran joined forces with the lion when their neutrality was betrayed from within. The rightful heir to the throne of Stromgarde now too answers to the adminstrators of Stormwind's Alliance. Even the great and ancient kingdom of Place-once-ruled-by-Morgan's-family has come under these auspices. (Cataclysm & Mists of Pandaria).

This, my friends, is the tale of humanity. Shattered and disorganized by darkness from without and within, slowly restored by the return of its one and true rightful king. Hail to the Monarchy! Hail to the Wrynn!



Not to say that the direction of humanity's story doesn't suck of course, but that's not the same as it not having a direction.
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Old 11-08-2014, 10:53 AM
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I asked about the Alliance narrative, not the neutrals narrative.
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Old 11-08-2014, 11:04 AM
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I asked about the Alliance narrative, not the neutrals narrative.
What is the Horde's narrative?
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Old 11-08-2014, 12:09 PM
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What is the Horde's narrative?
Answer my question.
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Old 11-08-2014, 12:28 PM
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Answer my question.
I don't think the franchise has an overarching narrative.
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Old 11-08-2014, 02:11 PM
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Right, having no narrative meanmeans we have no narrative.

For the past several expansions it's been come together like never before to win.

There has never been strife, the Alliance has no real end goals, it can't drive the plot, and it never moves forward, changes or reacts.

By definition, a narrative is an account of connected events. The Alliance has no account of connected events. It just keeps using the same event (overcoming nonexistent differences to rally behind Varian like never before)

I suppose, in the broadest sense possible, we have a narrative Alliance side. But it's stretching the definition.
To be fair, I want to challenge that "never changes" notion. The inclusion of Dark Irons, Highborne, and Worgen are all very big changes.

I think it'd be better to say that there is change, but that change doesn't seem to get explored very well. The way Blizzard handles inner conflict among the Alliance is a tad cheesy and settles itself in a very short time rather than taking longer than it realistically should.
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Old 11-08-2014, 02:19 PM
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I don't think the franchise has an overarching narrative.
This is true.

If it did then we wouldnt be looking in Azeroth with 3D glasses, even in freaking Dreeeenor with its kill magnet draenei character.
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Old 11-08-2014, 02:38 PM
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Explain the Alliance narrative to me Hammerbrew.
What would High King Varian do if he were here right now?
I bet he'd kick an ass or two
That's what High King Varian'd do!

(But not the Horde's)
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Old 11-08-2014, 06:57 PM
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ITT we describe the Alliance and Horde narratives in the form of haiku

Horde:

We are not bad guys
We just want to kill you and
Resurrect your corpse

Alliance:

We had something here
But we could not finish it
Sorry, time constraints
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