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Old 08-23-2014, 04:34 PM
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Old 08-23-2014, 04:34 PM
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>one armoured human female in an RPG book.
>"geek culture is changing!"

Err, are we ignoring the thousands of fully-clothed women that have been in RPG books for years and years now? The worst part is these people are going to start thinking they're actually making a difference when that kind of thing has been around for ages. Yeah, there might be LESS chainmail bikinis but claiming that fully-armoured women is some sort of amazing new revelation is pretty bizzare.

And I say this as somebody who would much, much, rather see practical, fully dressed men and women in fiction.
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Old 08-23-2014, 04:36 PM
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None of the differences in men and womens brains has anything to do with the things Ganishka mentioned though, those are cultural.
I don't think that's true. I think the natural differences are why men and women are attracted to specific types of games. The culture around those games sprouted up because of what mean and women are more naturally inclined to like.
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Old 08-23-2014, 04:38 PM
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I don't think that's true. I think the natural differences are why men and women are attracted to specific types of games. The culture around those games sprouted up because of what mean and women are more naturally inclined to like.
That's a fine conjecture, but no amount of anecdotal evidence will either prove or disprove it.
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Old 08-23-2014, 04:38 PM
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I don't think that's true. I think the natural differences are why men and women are attracted to specific types of games. The culture around those games sprouted up because of what mean and women are more naturally inclined to like.
Yeah. Culture comes from something, the people. What makes up the people? Genetics.
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Old 08-23-2014, 04:41 PM
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>one armoured human female in an RPG book.
>"geek culture is changing!"

Err, are we ignoring the thousands of fully-clothed women that have been in RPG books for years and years now? The worst part is these people are going to start thinking they're actually making a difference when that kind of thing has been around for ages. Yeah, there might be LESS chainmail bikinis but claiming that fully-armoured women is some sort of amazing new revelation is pretty bizzare.

And I say this as somebody who would much, much, rather see practical, fully dressed men and women in fiction.
No no, you're missing the point here, it's not that she's armored, it's that she's the example character.

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I don't think that's true. I think the natural differences are why men and women are attracted to specific types of games. The culture around those games sprouted up because of what mean and women are more naturally inclined to like.
Great, any source to back that up or just more that suggests guys are good at map-reading and women are better with language? Y'know very broad general things that don't really have anything to do with aesthetic or thematic tastes.
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Old 08-23-2014, 04:42 PM
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Lol Mutters you're full of shit. You are the one that hasn't posted anything other than bullshit feminist tumblr blogs to support your claim.
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Old 08-23-2014, 04:43 PM
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Old 08-23-2014, 04:45 PM
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Yeah. Culture comes from something, the people. What makes up the people? Genetics.
General warning.

You really don't want to go down that territory.

Especially as it kinda implies certain things...
Especially for certain barbaric cultures.
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Old 08-23-2014, 04:55 PM
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Lol Mutters you're full of shit. You are the one that hasn't posted anything other than bullshit feminist tumblr blogs to support your claim.
That's a flat lie that shows you haven't looked at anything I've posted.
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Old 08-23-2014, 04:58 PM
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Ah, well, no. I don't recall having such a fetish. It was simply the easiest dere at hand, Dithon1 of the Supersig.

And it was a setup that didn't work out.
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Old 08-23-2014, 05:08 PM
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Ah, well, no. I don't recall having such a fetish. It was simply the easiest dere at hand, Dithon1 of the Supersig.

And it was a setup that didn't work out.
I'm going to pet you.
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Old 08-23-2014, 05:22 PM
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Old 08-23-2014, 05:35 PM
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In other news this is really cool.

This reminds of a thing I read that when they were making for one of these the main artist was forced to do a male white human warrior as the main character representing the adventurer. So everytime that character appeared it was suffering from something or running away.
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Old 08-23-2014, 05:38 PM
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This reminds of a thing I read that when they were making for one of these the main artist was forced to do a male white human warrior as the main character representing the adventurer. So everytime that character appeared it was suffering from something or running away.
Hehe, must've been cathartic.
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Old 08-23-2014, 06:23 PM
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I'll admit that my memory might be spotty, but haven't DnD PC-species females always been dressed appropriately? That's what I seem to remember from 3.5 onwards, at least.

Onwards being the few post 3.5 books I've skimmed through.
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Old 08-23-2014, 06:43 PM
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Leading everything in our culture, including male/female differences, back to genetics is a very truncated and simplistic explanation.

There ARE differences, but they don't function as absolute rules and the answer for all social issues relating to gender. A large part of what sets humanity apart from simple animals is that we do NOT blindly adhere to instinct and genetic behaviour patterns, in fact we learn ever more how to identify and control these.

However, linking to all sorts of blogs and articles doesn't really provide a solid basis in fact either, Mutter. If you want to supply food for thought, link scientific work, not editorials.

And at the end of the day, women do approach games differently, very broadly speaking. Even when they play the same games such as MMORPGs, their reasons for doing so and the factors they enjoy most often differ wildly from their male coplayers. This is obvious in more than just anecdotal gamer evidence by now.
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Leading everything in our culture, including male/female differences, back to genetics is a very truncated and simplistic explanation.

There ARE differences, but they don't function as absolute rules and the answer for all social issues relating to gender. A large part of what sets humanity apart from simple animals is that we do NOT blindly adhere to instinct and genetic behaviour patterns, in fact we learn ever more how to identify and control these.

However, linking to all sorts of blogs and articles doesn't really provide a solid basis in fact either, Mutter. If you want to supply food for thought, link scientific work, not editorials.

And at the end of the day, women do approach games differently, very broadly speaking. Even when they play the same games such as MMORPGs, their reasons for doing so and the factors they enjoy most often differ wildly from their male coplayers. This is obvious in more than just anecdotal gamer evidence by now.
I didn't link to anything scientific because I doubt there's a scientific study out there about how differences in the brain between genders -don't- affect whether men or women enjoy competitive games.

If anything, Erthads sources support -my- view more than his or Ganishkas.

Map reading and language, along with physical object orienting, are not really connected to aesthetic or thematic choices in genders.

And as for the other editorials, those were largely about Ganishkas baseless claims regarding the comic industry that I've yet to see anyone take issue with.

So someone please tell me, what tumblr feminists did I link to? And to refute/support what claim exactly?
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Isn't the human brain malleable? I imagine your brain develops and changes depending on how you use it just as if any other muscle you exercise would.

They did a brain study on London taxi drivers. The road layout of London is not designed around finding your way around in car. Taxi drivers in London are still able to find there way around but the part of the brain responsible for memory is larger for the London Taxi drivers than average.

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These navigational demands stimulate brain development, concludes a study five years in the making. With the new research, scientists can definitively say that London taxi drivers not only have larger-than-average memory centers in their brains, but also that their intensive training is responsible for the growth. Excelling at one form of memory, however, may inhibit another.
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Couldn't any differences in brains just be attributed to lack of exercise for that specific part of the brain?
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Isn't the human brain malleable? I imagine your brain develops and changes depending on how you use it just as if any other muscle you exercise would.

They did a brain study on London taxi drivers. The road layout of London is not designed around finding your way around in car. Taxi drivers in London are still able to find there way around but the part of the brain responsible for memory is larger for the London Taxi drivers than average.



http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...n-taxi-memory/

Couldn't any differences in brains just be attributed to lack of exercise for that specific part of the brain?
its called neuroplasticity
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its called neuroplasticity
Or just plasticity if you don't want to come off as a pretentious prick.
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Old 08-23-2014, 08:59 PM
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Genetics provide a starting point and inclinations, but they don't decide your personality or tastes, not beyond a point that culture and environment can affect.

Otherwise I'd be like my mom or dad and not, y'know, unlike them. Or my brother or uncles or cousins.

And less like random people I meet in college and at work.
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Genetics provide a starting point and inclinations, but they don't decide your personality or tastes, not beyond a point that culture and environment can affect.

Otherwise I'd be like my mom or dad and not, y'know, unlike them. Or my brother or uncles or cousins.

And less like random people I meet in college and at work.
Plausible, but unreliable logic here.

I see a lot of people in this thread talking authoritatively about shit nobody (let alone any of you people) understands.
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Old 08-23-2014, 09:10 PM
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Plausible, but unreliable logic here.

I see a lot of people in this thread talking authoritatively about shit nobody (let alone any of you people) understands.
There's a sizeable population of men and women that don't like the things generally associated with male and female tastes though, so arguing that they're genetic inclinations is pointless.

Even if there's some genetic bias one way or the other there's a sizeable enough population and a large enough degree of variation that it doesn't really matter.


Obviously there aren't really studies on hand to prove it one way or the other but... it's what I observe in the world.
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