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Old 03-27-2014, 06:21 PM
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...The war would have already ended.

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Old 03-27-2014, 06:45 PM
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The war has ended though.
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Old 03-27-2014, 07:18 PM
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It started a bunch of times, so who knows?
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Old 03-27-2014, 07:45 PM
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The other factions already have collective and selective amnesia regarding shit the Horde has done so nothing would change, really.
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Old 03-27-2014, 08:24 PM
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The war has ended though.
truly ended, now and forever.
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Old 03-27-2014, 08:48 PM
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What war?

Don't you know that what happened in MoP wasn't a war? It was a not-war.

The real war is starting in Warlords of Draenor, whereupon the Horde and the Alliance will have a #savage battle that is totally a war, unlike all those other times which don't count. Duh!
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Old 03-27-2014, 09:03 PM
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What war?

Don't you know that what happened in MoP wasn't a war? It was a not-war.

The real war is starting in Warlords of Draenor, whereupon the Horde and the Alliance will have a #savage battle that is totally a war, unlike all those other times which don't count. Duh!
That's not what I heard. I've heard the war isn't even warming up until the next expansion. Warlords of Draenor is suppose to set the stage for the real factional war, while Cataclysm and Mists of Pandaria were just to give justification to both factions.
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Old 03-27-2014, 09:17 PM
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while Cataclysm and Mists of Pandaria were just to give justification to both factions.
Mists Of Pandaria utterly failed at that for Horde. The Alliance had virtually no morally dubious characters, even the ones they did have disappeared or became generically good.
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Old 03-27-2014, 09:22 PM
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Mists Of Pandaria utterly failed at that for Horde. The Alliance had virtually no morally dubious characters, even the ones they did have disappeared or became generically good.
That's not what a lot of Pro-Horde posters say about Jaina, and they usually add in Rogers for good measure too.
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Old 03-27-2014, 09:27 PM
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That's not what a lot of Pro-Horde posters say about Jaina, and they usually add in Rogers for good measure too.
Actually most Pro horde players are pretty disgusted with the story right now. Yeah there are a few posters/players like that, but most are just disgusted with how the Horde story has been derailed due to bad writing.

Mists of Pandaria made the Horde's greatest enemy in the story themselves.

And then there's that basically every orc was portrayed as Evil or villainous.
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Old 03-27-2014, 09:29 PM
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Actually most Pro horde players are pretty disgusted with the story right now. Yeah there are a few posters/players like that, but most are just disgusted with how the Horde story has been derailed due to bad writing.

Mists of Pandaria made the Horde's greatest enemy in the story themselves.

And then there's that basically every orc was portrayed as Evil or villainous.
Except the Orcs in Razorhill, but I don't disagree with you. It's honestly hard to know which is worse anymore. Having a bad story (Horde) or having no story (Alliance).
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Old 03-27-2014, 09:31 PM
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War's over. Horde won.

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Except the Orcs in Razorhill, but I don't disagree with you. It's honestly hard to know which is worse anymore. Having a bad story (Horde) or having no story (Alliance).
The only bad thing about the Horde's story is that the "rebels" had no reason to rebel. As protagonists go they were pretty horrible. Weak, yet strong. Took a stand without standing for anything. Honestly, Garrosh comes off as making way more sense than they ever did.

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Old 03-27-2014, 09:35 PM
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Except the Orcs in Razorhill, but I don't disagree with you. It's honestly hard to know which is worse anymore. Having a bad story (Horde) or having no story (Alliance).
Humans are pretty well off so far, though they do come off as supremely stupid just leaving Orgrimmar, but thats better then the orcs. Literally, every non Thrall/Saurfang/Eitrigg orc was portrayed as evil or completely unaccounted for.

No, Shokia doesn't count, her change to the rebels was totally unexplained, as in the Mists Of Pandaria quests, she was portrayed as an evil Garrosh loyalist who liked to torture humans.

Worgen might even have it worse then the Horde, I'll admit even as a Horde fan.

Having the worgen be what they were promised, wild beasts who weren't afraid to get their hands and do dirty deeds, would actually have helped both the Horde and Alliance with their problems.

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Old 03-27-2014, 09:45 PM
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Horde won.
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Garrosh was the legitimate ruler of the Horde, having been passed the mantle by the previous Warchief. The rebellion was just that: a rebellion. The Horde lost.
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Old 03-27-2014, 09:48 PM
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Garrosh was the legitimate ruler of the Horde, having been passed the mantle by the previous Warchief. The rebellion was just that: a rebellion. The Horde lost.
The Horde always wins.

Even when most of its population and leaderships is killed, along with their capital being conquered.

The HordeBreaker title only exists in the Alliance's imaginations to stave off Blizzard's Horde Bias.
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Old 03-27-2014, 09:51 PM
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War's over. Horde won.
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The only bad thing about the Horde's story is that the "rebels" had no reason to rebel. As protagonists go they were pretty horrible. Weak, yet strong. Took a stand without standing for anything. Honestly, Garrosh comes off as making way more sense than they ever did.
I keep forgetting how the Horde isn't allowed to have valid complaints.
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Old 03-27-2014, 09:52 PM
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The Horde sure did lose when it conquered all that Alliance territory which they still hold.
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Old 03-27-2014, 09:55 PM
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The Horde sure did lose when it conquered all that Alliance territory which they still hold.
You mean Southshore, what a true victory.

That is sure to make up for oodles of dead orcs, the loss of many horde Heroes, and civillians, its political fracturing and uneasyness. The Alliance gaining Dalaran as an ally, and conquering Orgrimmar, is nothing compared to the ownership of the great and mighty Southshore.
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I don't know about that. Sure, Horde players might be fairly well disillusioned by the Horde, but at least now the Horde can have a proper redemption arc and become the "noble savages" you always wanted them to be. You're at rock bottom, all things considered things can't get worse.

The Alliance on the other hand? They're always going to be the losers that pretty much rolled over and died.

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You mean Southshore, what a true victory.

That is sure to make up for oodles of dead orcs, the loss of many horde Heroes, and civillians, its political fracturing and uneasyness. The Alliance gaining Dalaran as an ally, and conquering Orgrimmar, is nothing compared to the ownership of the great and mighty Southshore.
There are an unlimited number of orcs. There is only so much land on Azeroth, especially one with as much lore attached to it as Southshore.
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Old 03-27-2014, 10:00 PM
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I don't know about that. Sure, Horde players might be fairly well disillusioned by the Horde, but at least now the Horde can have a proper redemption arc and become the "noble savages" you always wanted them to be. You're at rock bottom, all things considered things can't get worse.
A story where the orcs were incompetent poorly written, evil like from a bad LOTR fanfic(probably where the MOP writer's got their ideas) rather then the competent and cunning orcs of the RTS games.

Also every Orc was portrayed as bad, leaving orc players to feel out of place and evil rather then a part of the rebellion.

Yeah, Horde won alright....

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The Alliance on the other hand? They're always going to be the losers that pretty much rolled over and died.
The Losers who stomped the Horde on every encounter in Pandaria, killed off most of the orc clans, stormed the Horde capital, and killed its leader. Allowing the survivors to live in disgrace.

Yeah, real losers.
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There are an unlimited number of orcs.
There was only one Mokvar though.

There was only one Overlord Runthak.

Only one Nazgrim.
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Old 03-27-2014, 10:18 PM
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There was only one Mokvar though.

There was only one Overlord Runthak.

Only one Nazgrim.
Only One Zaela

Only one Auctioneer Thathung(who showed a personality in phased events in WOTLK)

And Runthak was basically Saurfang's righthand and succesor.
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Only One Zaela

Only one Auctioneer Thathung(who showed a personality in phased events in WOTLK)

And Runthak was basically Saurfang's righthand and succesor.
But no they're all evil.


We can't -enjoy- being evil because half our characters recoil and sob about how bad it is, and we can't be good because the other half of our characters are genocidal maniacs.

How lucky it is to be Horde.
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But no they're all evil.


We can't -enjoy- being evil because half our characters recoil and sob about how bad it is, and we can't be good because the other half of our characters are genocidal maniacs.

How lucky it is to be Horde.
Truely Horde is blessed....

I don't get Shokia, she actually was portrayed as evil and unsympathic from the Getgo yet joined the rebellion without explanation. Maybe it was a half assed attempt to provide some sympathetic orcs.

There's also Bloodhilt who started as a general who cared about his tauren allies, and killed a subordinate for abandoning them, yet in Mists became an orc supremacist who hated the other Horde Races with no explanation. Also somehow became for killing Twinbraid's son, despite no involvement in it whatsoever.

While his Alliance counterpart, Twinbraid who went from a warhungry racist with a soft spot for his son, to a caring man who loves the natives and wants to protect them from the evils of Bloodhilt and the orcs.

A+ writing...

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Old 03-27-2014, 11:10 PM
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A story where the orcs were incompetent poorly written, evil like from a bad LOTR fanfic(probably where the MOP writer's got their ideas) rather then the competent and cunning orcs of the RTS games.

Also every Orc was portrayed as bad, leaving orc players to feel out of place and evil rather then a part of the rebellion.

Yeah, Horde won alright....
Are you kidding? No one in the rebellion was a good guy lol You didn't have to be an orc to think your side sucked. As for competence, the most competent character in the game was Garrosh. Otherwise competence was in short supply. Even Varian was a one hit wonder when he up-staged Tyrande.

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Yeah, real losers.
At no point did the Alliance act like it was invested in winning. Didn't have any clear goals. Didn't convey the price of failure or declare how far it was willing to go, what it was willing to do in order to survive. What was really at stake for the Alliance? Even the stated objective of protecting Pandaria fell flat since the Alliance never actually protects Pandaria from anything.

Yeah, Theramore got blown up, but that completely failed to generate any sense of urgency or agency. Seriously, how can a faction lose a prominent city and act like nothing happened? And after all is said done, the Alliance backs down from a fight, not because they think they can trust the Horde, not because the Rebels were their allies, but because they're just sick of fighting. The Alliance just gave up. They quit with nothing to show for it.
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